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October 11, 2009 at 12:01 pm #3018Martin BakerParticipant
I am currently in the Royal Australian Navy as a marine technician (maintenance fitter trade). I have no real experience with hydraulics but I intend to do a fluid power course at technical college (3 months duration with a formal qualification) after I discharge.
What are my chances at getting work in the ROV field after doing this course and am I better off honing my hydraulic skills for a couple of years before trying.
Will the fact that I am in the Navy put me to the top of the list with potential employers?
Thanks, any help would be appreciated
October 12, 2009 at 7:08 am #25123James McLauchlanParticipantI am currently in the Royal Australian Navy as a marine technician (maintenance fitter trade). I have no real experience with hydraulics but I intend to do a fluid power course at technical college (3 months duration with a formal qualification) after I discharge.
What are my chances at getting work in the ROV field after doing this course and am I better off honing my hydraulic skills for a couple of years before trying.
Will the fact that I am in the Navy put me to the top of the list with potential employers?
Thanks, any help would be appreciated
Taking the hydraulics course will be a bonus. Also. along with your offshore survival and approved offshore medical, look at getting a high voltage safety cert at some point, as that seems to becoming asked for more and more these days.
Being Ex- Navy won’t put you to the top of the list, but if your next employer is ex-services it may have your cause in a more positive manner than not.
What are your chances?
If you know anyone on the game, or know somebody that’s knows someone it might help you get a foot in the door.
Getting a start these days is not as easy as it used to be… the market is currently awash with Trainees, being pumped out by the training schools.I’m not sure if you are able to time your release date (and completion of your hydraulics course) but check when the busy season is offshore in Oz and try to be available for a start then. Push your CV out and make plenty of phone calls to let people know you are around. If you need to take a job onshore working with hydraulics or take a job offshore as, having some offshore time already may be looked on more favourable by potential employers.
As an aside, you need a line in. One way to do this is maybe join the Oz Maritime union (MUA). ROV offshore workers on Oz are in the MUA and subject to an offshore agreement for pay and conditions. Once you are a member you would be able to attend meetings and maybe get some info from ROV guys already working in the industry.
October 12, 2009 at 2:44 pm #25124ExcableguyParticipantNot all ROV guys are in the union.
Most companies are signatories to employee collective agreements (ECA) which exclude union consultation. If company has an ECA agreement in place then the union has no place in the bargaining process. Being a member of the MUA may not enhance your employability (in fact it could harm your chances with some of the more well known companies). Although once working being a union member is probably wise.
Most guys are casual day rate and sign a contract for each trip offshore, some are union members some are not. There are few "permanent" positions for experienced guys and even less for trainees. There seems to be no agency personnel and no agencies like UKPS, PROffs or Subservpro.
Doing the course at Freo TAFE seems to be the best way forward. a good few of the companies only use personnel that have done the course. TAFE seem to tailor the course to industry demand, so if few or no courses are running then there are few positions available.
I hear that the Philippines course is definitely NOT recommended.
October 12, 2009 at 4:05 pm #25125James McLauchlanParticipantSome good points there. :tup:
October 13, 2009 at 6:53 pm #25126scootsParticipantFurther to the TAFE course in Fremantle, when i last applied approx. two years back you required a minimum of three years post trade experience in either industrial electrical/electronics or hydraulics to get a look in for a seat. I wasnt accepted with well over three years post trade in commercial and domestic electrical as well as experience in electronics up to supervisory level. I do believe though that if you get in this course you will be picked up by an ROV company forsure…..Good luck!!!
October 14, 2009 at 1:15 am #25127ExcableguyParticipantIt is very good to hear that TAFE is filtering the applications for suitability.
The post trade requirement is written into the guidelines that IMCA issue.It is a shame that the other so called "schools" work in the "commercial" sector.
These are fairly lean times and the requirement for trainees is not as high as some "schools" marketing flyers would have you believe. Currently many of the larger companies are making experienced people redundant.
October 14, 2009 at 4:40 am #25128Martin BakerParticipantLooks like I’ve got a while to wait yet until I have any chance of getting into the industry having only just finished my apprenticeship.
On that note has anyone done an ROV course with the underwater school in South Australia? If so what was it like and how hard was it to get on the course?
October 14, 2009 at 6:29 am #25129ExcableguyParticipantOn that note has anyone done an ROV course with the underwater school in South Australia? If so what was it like and how hard was it to get on the course?
I am surprised by the "how hard was it to get on?" part of the post above.
The point, I believe, is that if people are having difficulty getting on a course it is only for 2 reasons;
1). They do not have the relevant qualifications or experience.
2). There are not enough industrial places.
Either way, if you are not accepted, why go to any of the other courses? Do you just want to do a course without a chance of a job?Seems like a good way to through money away!
Will the fact that I am in the Navy put me to the top of the list with potential employers?
I missed this part previously;
Why would being in the Navy put you at the top of the list? Employers are interested in those with valid qualifications and experience no matter where they were gained.October 15, 2009 at 4:51 am #25130Martin BakerParticipantWhy would being in the Navy put you at the top of the list? Employers are interested in those with valid qualifications and experience no matter where they were gained.
Maybe the fact that we are used to working long hours, are disciplined, used to working away from home (up to 6 months at a time I might add!)
October 15, 2009 at 7:30 am #25131James McLauchlanParticipantGiven two people (one civvy and one ex-military) with the same basic qualifications, I would choose the ex-military guy for the reasons mentioned by martyb. Being Ex Navy would have no more influence than being ex Army or Air Force. Ex military people all show similar useful qualities, including adaptability, many of which are sadly missing from civilian life these days.
But, being ex-forces alone would not move anybody to the top or high up the list. It just might make a difference though and can be viewed as a plus point rather than a negative.
best regards
James Mc
(Ex Royal Engineers)October 15, 2009 at 11:21 am #25132Scott BeveridgeParticipantIt could be a small asset Martyb… When I was hired by Taylor Diving (as an ROV / RCV guy) the point that I worked on helicopters (USMC avionics) was brought up in the interview…
And James, I definitely do prefer ex-military lads on my team due to the work ethics.
October 15, 2009 at 3:02 pm #25133Mark DuPriestParticipantlikewise.
less BS or piss taking as you brits say -
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