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October 19, 2012 at 1:14 pm #5799
Mr W
ParticipantWhich companies mix their crew with UK and Norwegians but do not give the UK guys same contracts?
I know DOF, Subsea 7 and Deepocean are at it, who else??
October 19, 2012 at 5:14 pm #33431Anonymous
Guest…mixed with lads from Ghana, Angola, Brazil, America, Philippines, etc etc
Which rates would you prefer?
October 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm #33432openside
ParticipantNorwegians are paid more than us because they are superior in every aspect of the job. Get over it cake fuck.
October 19, 2012 at 6:45 pm #33433Ray Shields
ParticipantAs 225 said, we work with people from other countries, they do not earn the same as we do.
The guy who flips burgers in MacDonalds in Moscow does not get paid as the guy who flips burgers in MacDonalds in London.
If you move and live in Norway, you will get a Norwegian contract and be paid their money (and have to pay their taxes and cost of living).
October 19, 2012 at 11:47 pm #33434Akke
ParticipantAs 225 said, we work with people from other countries, they do not earn the same as we do.
The guy who flips burgers in MacDonalds in Moscow does not get paid as the guy who flips burgers in MacDonalds in London.
If you move and live in Norway, you will get a Norwegian contract and be paid their money (and have to pay their taxes and cost of living).
Totally agree with you rayshields. Uk dayraters are actually earning a bit more today than noggies considering total costs of living.
October 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm #33435bt
Participant@ Akke
What is the day rate for a Noggie, living in Norway then??
October 20, 2012 at 10:26 pm #33436Participant@ Akke
What is the day rate for a Noggie, living in Norway then??
Well I am not a noggie eventhough living in Norway. And on salary at present time so I will let lads with first hand information answer this. After what I have heard from dayraters, both UK and Norway and others have UK guys little to complain, considering taxes and overall costs compared between UK and Norway. That is if you don’t choose to live in Norway, eat shit, live in a tent and nick a bicycle:)
October 21, 2012 at 8:33 am #33437HelpMaBoab
ParticipantIt is causing a bit of friction on one of our jobs, We have Norwegians on 132 day contracts, with a Sub Eng getting UK equiv of £65000 flat rate (2 weeks on 4 weeks off, overtime pay after day 11 (65000/132). Living in Norway paying Local taxes etc, incidently the rate (I have been informed) works out at 45%.
We have a Norwegian Supv on a Norwegian contract earning UK equiv £165000 for 28/28 rotation, paying no tax etc living in Thailand.We then have personnel from our parent company (UK) getting 150 day contracts on higher equivilent salaries and dayrates.
And we have the Subsiduary ROV / Survey company who’s contracts are 175 day contracts and lower salaries.
And you think everything is hunky dory 😯 , total ingreidients for a lot of disgruntled people, not a job I would want to be on. The bitching must be immense 😆
Note, this is not Agency personnel (which you neg your own rates) this is company employees on the same vessel, talk about divide and conquer.October 21, 2012 at 10:32 am #33438ParticipantSorry I should have explained my point of this post. We should be taking the companies to employment tribunals, it’s direct racial discrimination. The companies will need to justify the cause for unequal pay.
This link explains all.I think the fact that the job is still a half decent one puts people off this idea, well you have the option of whistleblowing with an employment tribunal and your employer doesn’t find out who’s complaining about them.
What happens when a tribunal decides equal pay should be awarded in these circumstances? 2 and 4 rotations for us, more personnel required, better contracts, agency rates go up as well?? What else…..answers please?
October 21, 2012 at 10:34 am #33439ParticipantNorwegians are paid more than us because they are superior in every aspect of the job. Get over it cake [banned word].
I will, but only when a company can justify in court, why the contracts are so different.
October 21, 2012 at 8:06 pm #33440ParticipantUnfortunately they do not need to as each company is paying their own staff the same money.
Company A and Company B are two separate companies, one UK based, one Norwegian. They may be sister companies under another company, but by law, they are separate companies.
If Company A employed people at teh same grade, same experience etc and paid them different pay due to where they lived or their nationality, that would most likely be illegal.
If Company A employs someone and Company B employs someone else and both are the same level, they do NOT both have to pay them the same.
If they did, McDonalds in Moscow would have to pay the same wage to their Burger Flipper as McDonalds in New York.
October 21, 2012 at 8:33 pm #33441ParticipantIf they did, McDonalds in Moscow would have to pay the same wage to their Burger Flipper as McDonalds in New York.
Yes of course, but what happens when McDonalds in Moscow floats into the UK sector (like the vessel I work on) then has to abide by UK law, then Mr Moscow gets equality.
October 21, 2012 at 8:43 pm #33442ParticipantUnfortunately they do not need to as each company is paying their own staff the same money.
Well this company had to explain…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6263202/Geordie-oil-worker-claims-race-discrimination.html#
October 22, 2012 at 4:52 pm #33444ParticipantUnfortunately they do not need to as each company is paying their own staff the same money.
Well this company had to explain…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6263202/Geordie-oil-worker-claims-race-discrimination.html#
If you read the story, it states that the Brit and the Norwegians all worked for the SAME company, not a UK leg and a Norwegian leg as I explained.
It would be discrimination for people doing the same job in the same company to be paid different pay. But if I work for Joe Bloggs (UK) ltd and my Norwegian colleague works for Joe Bloggs (Norge) AS, then it is not illegal.
October 22, 2012 at 8:21 pm #33443ParticipantIt would be discrimination for people doing the same job in the same company to be paid different pay. But if I work for Joe Bloggs (UK) ltd and my Norwegian colleague works for Joe Bloggs (Norge) AS, then it is not illegal.
Is this just your opinion or fact? I’m pretty sure I already read that equal pay is consistant with sister/parent companies.
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