Silly offer from Oceaneering

Sorry but I’m curious what exactly made this a silly offer. I’m not trying to start anything but it seems to me that its an offer to learn something that your interested in and get paid (granted not alot ) but still it is paid training and stick time. Could someone explain what was bad about that offer to a newbie like myself?

Oh Dear !!

Working for nothing is not the way forward IMHO. ROV Companies are paid well by their clients to provide ROV services. They in turn should be paying you!

What happens when you have worked for nothing and are looking for your first paid job but the company keep taking people that will work for nothing instead? How do you get paid? How would you feel then?

Ah yeh I agree, working for nothing isn’t a good idea of course. It’s just the idea itself, is a sign of the kind of struggle new starters looking for that elusive 1st experience may contemplate. I don’t agree with it either… But when you’ve forked out a lot.of cash on training etc you’ll consider anything! Unfortunately.

I think these ROV hour builder schools are out to prey on the desperate also, has anyone experience of those? I stumbled across one or two offerings in my hunt for a start and yes again, I thought about it. Glad I didn’t do that either…

So, I think the chance of being paid by a big ROV company to get relevant experience isn’t something to be dismissed entirely, even if the rate is off because it could be a good stepping stone if someone wants it bad enough. Thousands obviously do, so supply and demand dictates lower ££. I think?

I wouldn’t work continually for crumbs tho. And the starting salary I’ve been offered is excellent (for me) so perhaps the idea of what good pay is, is relevant to the particular employee’s standards.

I seem to remember some guy on here a few years ago had to pay the Rov company before they would hire him as a trainee , I think it was Oceaneering in India .

Even if all the rov trainees offered there services for free they would still not accept you for starters your using bed space how many times have the experienced guys on here been kicked off a vessels or rigs due to lack of bed space , Then there is the cost of flying you out to the vessel I hate to think how much a chopper ride is going to cost .Then you have food I forget how much it cost per day ?

Most clients don’t want to know even when I have tried to put trainees on the sticks just doing pipeline inspection soon after you get feed back telling you " Don’t " so you cant win .

All I know is that I get fed up with flying the whole shift but that’s what the clients wants and there the people who are paying the bills , I think I saw a sign up telling you the max you could fly was 6 hours per shift .

Dont forget safety first " If you see something unsafe stop the job " + find your self on the next chopper heading for the beach .

Raptor

Firstly agree with most of the replies to the OP on here.

One of the problems as I see it is that there appear to be "regional rates".

As far as I’m concerned if you’re at sea doing the same job, which is obviously of the same value to the client company, irregardless of geophysical location, then you should get the same money.

OP’s quoted rates for OI, are in this case, less than a trainee junior burger flipper casual employee in Australia.

It’s a very hard sell to convince people who have grown up in the good ole USA and never traveled abroad that socialism doesn’t equal communism and that every job has it’s inherent value. A qualified ROV Pilot/Tech is not just a non-thinking clone that you throw at a job because an ROV Pilot /Technician has the following;

a. he/she has to know their job which involves a combination of; mid to high level technical skills in high power electrics, electronics, hydraulics, mechanics

b.they have navigational skills ie translating a two dimensional picture into 3D and realising their place in it

c. they use tele-presence, related to b. above

d. they have developed motor skills e.g hand-eye co-ordination in piloting or operating a vehicle or manipulator in a 3D environment using a 2D display.

e. an ability to translate the client requirements into reality (clients sometimes having a loose grip on the latter)

f. a deep understanding of a 3D marine environment ie. effects of weather, wind, tides, currents, magnetic anomalies etc

Additionally personnel must work and live in very close quarters with strangers from different religious, political, ethnic origins amicably.

This my friends is why we are worth more than a burger flipper anywhere on the planet and should be worth more than any one of the individual trades required to do our job.

Peace!

The list seems a little outdated.

The ‘List’ is only as good as the people that send the rates in! ROVworld admin have no magic line to company rates. So, unless members end in updates the list goes stagnant!