MTCS even worse news

Sorry but as I have said many time MTCS is just a training school and nothing more . As you know your self after speaking to Nick Hough at IMCA in his own words it states .

IMCA sets no mandate, doctrine or requirement in this respect – there is no IMCA requirement saying that certificates of (ROV) competence must be renewed every three years.
IMCA makes makes no endorsement or comment on the policy of any given supplier of training services regarding the expiry of validity of their course certification.
That said, this is something that is of interest to the IMCA ROV management committee and the IMCA Competence and Training Committee, and with your agreement, I will pass on the fact of this query – no names, of course – to them for info.

Best wishes

Nick Hough
Technical Adviser

IMCA – International Marine Contractors Association

IMCA is the Association that puts forward all of the recommendations and not some training school , Unless I see something in writing from IMCA then its just pie in the sky !
like I said in the last chat we had how on earth can a training school do a competence assessment on someone they have never met ? If Competence assessment are required then it should be done in house like it has been done in the past .

Sorry but unless you can provided me and the other members of this forum showing this is mandatory requirement from IMCA then I am sorry it means nothing .

Requirements for some jobs are set by clients this I fully understand since some have a visit from a MTCS agent convincing them to take part but its not mandatory requirement to contact MTCS and get a Competence assessment done for £300 every 3 years . Should any future client ask for proof of competence get a letter from your past employer its FREE and wont cost you a penny .Over the years I must have done hundreds for people who have worked under me .

Over the years I think we have seen many get rich quick schemes and this is one of them .

Sorry Bazinga I appreciate what your saying but unless its a mandatory requirement from IMCA then its not relevant . MTCS can do and say what they want but unless its supported by IMCA its not relevant .

I am replying to you to let people know if they dont know already that if they do require Competence assessment it can be done from your past or current employer the last thing I want is people reading your post and thinking they need to contact MTCS and pay £300 to be assessed .

Bazinga
how does that work, how can they be assessed if their company just fills out all the forms for them.
How can that assessment company actually condone that.
Its just a take the money and you lot are ok.
Before the new changes that came in last year you just had to get a witness statement and pay 85 bucks, i can see a company doing that but
now its the whole exam assessment thing evidence forms and 350.
Can that company be doing that now its so much more work.

is there anyone else that does assessments out there ?

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Hi Jaso,

In response to your question:

how does that work, how can they be assessed if their company just fills out all the forms for them.
How can that assessment company actually condone that.
Its just a take the money and you lot are ok.

I think that is the whole point, they shouldnt be able to do it. Why agencies and clients give MTCS certifications credit is a mystery.

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i totally agree how is that even legal and that leads to incompetency, i worked a couple of jobs ago where the other shift just could not do their job, i was woken up whilst off shift to fix things. I dont mind helping out at all but for menial tech work, i have to get up and had to do all their paper work to, and we all know how much of that has to be done these days.
It just made my work load twice as hard.
Im not a snitch or tell tale but i casually asked my OIM if the other guys had Certs in a round about way, and sure enough they both had MTSC certs and they were not qualified to do their jobs properly not at the ranks that their Certs said they were anyway.
It seems if you pay they just had them out.
im not happy

ROVSUP123
(I agree three years is a bit short for any renewal and also to be honest if you are staying at the same level then you should maybe just prove you are still working in the industry and the renewal should be issued for significantly less than it currently is.

Companies like certification it gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling that they can hide behind when something goes wrong and the a court case is pending. Until IMCA grows some teeth in the area of ROV training and actually assesses and issues competence certification itself then this is the system we have and it will not change. Competence certification seems to be in fashion at the moment, so for the offshore worker it is the extra piece of paper required to be employable by an agency and the piece of paper staff seem to need to have any chance of promotion. )

Yeah i totally agree with you on this part, its like someone is going around to all the companies and paying or convincing them the Cert thing is the new fashion.
i think that if you are a trained electrician and been offshore say 15yrs this sort of bullying to be re-assessed is going to really get up your nose.
The company you work for should know their staff and issue their own Certs, a few do which is great.
i think the cost should be lower and the re-assessment should be based on HSE and paper work if you already hold a Cert for a rank.
Those are the only things that change not how to re-term mainlifts, which i might add some people with MTSC certs still cant do. As i witnessed not so long ago on a job as the wire slipped thru the donkey dick and into the water goes the system. So you dont bend the wires back on the mainlift i had said the night before, "never done that mate, was the reply"

you must agree the paper work is mounting you need a permit to look at something aloft and the wages are dropping. Now we have more Certs to worry about. what happened to the days of your going on a course says the manager and you are on pay and theres girls and beers and you learn something new.

Have you seen the Panamanian seamans book course, they tried to make me watch Cpt philips the movie. i said i got a UK seamans book i dont want this one, company did pay so i cant complain but i didnt learn anything and it was 500usd WTF.

thats all folks

https://subseaworldnews.com/2018/12/20/imca-names-andre-rose-as-technical-adviser/

The good news is that many companies now wont accept the discredited MTCS competency ,,