Do they ever give up?

[James McLauchlan]

Off Google ads….

ROV Pilot/Tech Training http://www.SubNetServices.Com
Retrain to ROV Pilot Tech Now Fast Highly Paid Highly Respected Career

Retrain?
Highly Paid?
Respected?

More like….

Sales literature created with a lot of artistic licence.
An industry with Stagnant day rates.
Hard to get a break into the industry.
After the course you could be out of pocket and never get offshore.
Almost worthless paper ticket issued at the end of the course.
It’ll likely be the most expensive (and potentially valueless) A4 sheet of paper you will ever buy in a lifetime!

Just a gentle reality check.

[R2D2]

It couldn’t be put better. That’s exactly the way it is.

When reading about the tiered work visa requirement for the UK, neither IMCA nor City & Guilds ‘Certificates’ relating to ROV can be found on the lists of accredited Institutes and Qualifications. The alarming fact is that the courses had been and are probably still subsidised by the UK tax-payer to assist ex-Servicemen for entry into the big-wide-world after discharge.

It is about time that the ‘schools’ be criminally charged for blatantly misleading their students, government and tax-payers.
It is a scam that has endured for years.

[Andy Shiers]

And swamped the market 👿

[tc1]

R2D2

The vast majority of people attending and paying for these courses are self sponsored and are subject to marketing hype which draws them to part with their money.
There have been plenty of discussions about who benefits from this money.

As far as governments and tax payers paying out for these courses for servicemen and women on a pre retirement or pre demob then so be it.The people make their choice in which field to retrain whether it be ROV ,diving or cooking hamburgers ,it is their choice.

I for one ,and Im sure Im joined by many others, in saying that servicemen and women, deserve the opportunity to retrain in whichever field the want ,and I am happy that governments allow them the opportunity to do so.

Please do not make our forces feel guilty about their choices on what they want to do.They have put themselves on the line for you and everyone else, and I wish governments would spend more of the tax payers contributions in helping them resettle into a world that they have not been part of for up to twenty odd years.

Personally speaking, more ex forces personell would succeed in our industry, than someone off the street or fresh out of university,they are generally more dependable.

Sorry its a bit off topic ,but they ,specifically, are not part of the problem here.

[deepseacon]

tc1

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Personally speaking, more ex forces personell would succeed in our industry, than someone off the street or fresh out of university,they are generally more dependable.

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[Andy Shiers]

Sorry disagree with you there , I have come across many people in this Industry as diverse as Gravediggers to Airfix model makers and they have come along just fine 😯 It’s the personnality that counts and not all service personnel are …………. adequate.
Anyway The Market is swamped and Greedy little Cretins that have no thoughts on the after effects or stability of this Industry are still trying to make money on the backs of others 👿
They are Lying if not indirectly about how this Industry is (Do Our course and you will earn etc…..") and Insulting everyone in our profession who is trying to make a living and keep up with inflation 🙁

[James McLauchlan]

The next phase will be the schools undercutting each other to stay in business. Courses will be cheaper and more people will flood into an unregulated market… the downhill spiral will continue.

[Andy Shiers]

Time for a cup of Rosey Lee I’m thinking 😕

[tc1]

Deepseacon,
If you have something to say say it.

Lostboy,

Please note that I said most and not all.

The point I was trying to make was that its not the fault of our ex forces people for the shortcomings of our industry and that they deserve some tax payers money having served their country.

The alarming fact is that the courses had been and are probably still subsidised by the UK tax-payer to assist ex-Servicemen for entry into the big-wide-world after discharge.

[Scott Beveridge]

Fair enough tc1…. better than giving it to refugee baby-makers. Once again, servicemen and women with an ROV-related trade are up on my lists.

[Andy Shiers]

So are Gravediggers and Airfix model makers 8)
Not all inteligent people go into inteligent jobs and just because someone might be in a profession that is used to receiving orders does not necessarily mean he or she has the right aptitude for ROV’s.
If the "supposed" schools had any ounce of brain matter they would realise they are killing the "golden goose" 😯
But we all know we are talking about money grabbing barstewards 👿
The old adage………….. The Ant and the Cricket I’m thinking 😉

[Scott Beveridge]

So are Gravediggers and Airfix model makers 8)
Not all inteligent people go into inteligent jobs and just because someone might be in a profession that is used to receiving orders does not necessarily mean he or she has the right aptitude for ROV’s.
If the "supposed" schools had any ounce of brain matter they would realise they are killing the "golden goose" 😯
But we all know we are talking about money grabbing barstewards 👿
The old adage………….. The Ant and the Cricket I’m thinking 😉

Hiya’ Lost,

Yep…. Can’t say you’re wrong there… Met more than a few divers, car mechs, and the like that have turned out to be top class rovers. Once again, "time in (not the service) service" and an ROV-related trade work for job applicants. Back to my old chestnut of in-house training for all – it has worked in the past BUT the job applicants really should have some experience and schooling in an ROV-related trade. Of course we need trainees, remember the drought of ROVers some time ago? Twas hard to get time off! Now??? Pfffft! More to discuss I suppose…

[Andy Shiers]

Those were the days aye Scott 😀
The North sea is HSE world to the brink of insanity but there is still no sane governing body to stem the flood.
IMCA – advisery ………….. How about , "Boo" to a ghost ! 😆
Come on IROVA get your finger out !

[tc1]

Lostboy

I agree with what you say.Jai Yen Yen It will happen

[luckyjim37]

I hate to say this as I am as guilty of falling for the literature, spending tax payers money on an ROV course when leaving the forces but back in the day it helped me get a start.
I am not so sure if would still be the way ahead in the current market and to be totally honest these days I would not get into the industry with my background.

Regulation is definately the way to go and IROVA seems to be the way ahead. Just about every other industry where any form of skilled work is undertaken is regulated to death so how have we got away with it for so long? Just look around at the guys on the team with you and ask yourself how many have HV safety awareness courses, how many are fully first aid trained, who on the team is competent to conduct risk assessments (for that matter does everyone understand the system in place), who on the team has completed abrahsive wheel courses (Especially the guy butchering the umbilical)?
I would not let a mechanic work on my car with no training yet how many guys work on manipulators (significantly more expensive than my car) with not training on them at all?

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