Permanent Employment – or just a myth

[Todd Sparkes]

I have been coming to this site for awhile now.
I see a lot of agency jobs, temp jobs, short term jobs even 2 and 3 day jobs which in my opinion is a waste of a few days. Does anyone have stats on how
many people actually have gotten a permanent job from information on this site? By permanent job c/w regular rotation I mean minimum of 12 months with a salary and benefits. I am not trying to dish this site as I believe it provides a very valuable service. I am wondering why all the major companies in the ROV industry do not use such sites as ROVWorld. Just thinking out loud.

[James McLauchlan]

…….I am not trying to dish this site as I believe it provides a very valuable service. I am wondering why all the major companies in the ROV industry do not use such sites as ROVWorld. Just thinking out loud.

It dosn’s seem like you are ‘dissing’ this site but lets put things into perspective.

This is an information website run by a couple of offshore people. It was started up in 2000 from a hotel room we were staying in at the time in Ao Nang, Thailand, to help us ROV people help ourselves by interacting on a website geared towards ROV’s. Then there was pretty much nothing around on the self help front.

The fact that we get jobs posted at all is a bonus, so please don’t head over here and expect results on the work front or, in the case of the OP, debate how well ROVworld does in providing a job service. There is a lot of info that has been added by others over the years that ‘may’ be of help, but nothing is certain when it comes to getting a job as a result of visiting ROVworld.

[Todd Sparkes]

"Head over here" I don’t understand the implication.
Thanks for putting things into perspective. I agree ROVWorld provides a lot of valuable information that’s why I joined and why I keep coming back. Jobs are not guaranteed anywhere. I merely asked a question relating to numbers which I see no difference than if I had to ask in a poll the same question.

[James McLauchlan]

"Head over here" I don’t understand the implication.

as in.. Head over to this website, it was not a geographical reference nor was it aimed solely at the OP. It was a general reference to site users as the OP was asking for input from other members.

[liddelljohn]

Who would want a permanent job and be a slave IMHO ….I have worked 28 years as a contractor

[James McLauchlan]

Me too, but I guess one type of employment suits some, whilst other prefer the longer term ‘so called’ more secure option.

What I do see of late is there appears to very little security in any type of employment these days. So the debate on experienced personnel being better off as staff over contractor (or vice-versa) is is almost a mute point IMHO.

[Todd Sparkes]

This is off the topic of my original question but it does bring up some interesting points.
I have been salary for 22 years and really only ever completed one contract job. I have been permanently employed on a regular rotation all those years (with 2 different companies and different jobs). I do notice a lot of guys on here are always implying the rates are very low.
Isn’t that what contracting is about, in the leaner times recruiters can beat down prices to rock bottom and somebody will take the job. This forces the next guy to take a job at the same or lower rates again. A vicious cycle with contractors caught in the middle. Recruiters and clients win the battle by obtaining cheap labor and making a larger profit. Please correct me if I am wrong on this subject.

[Todd Sparkes]

JamesMC – I agree with you on a lack of security in any job these days. One thing I didn’t mention above is for the most part I have been either 21/21 or 28/28. I have never worked in a shop so my time off is always that – time for me and family. Any job you can get 6 months off a year and still be comfortable in my opinion is a good job. Kudos to all you contractors if that is your choice for for employment.

[Scott Beveridge]

Canman,

Job security is nil for contractors but one that knows his worth can, and indeed will get the work at a rate that is not only fair for himself but also the company. Times are a bit lean and there are well experienced guys on the beach. Some refuse the super-low rates offered and wait (if they can – it’s gonna be some time yet IMHO) and others will eventually give in to a "slightly lower" rate. 6 months for this year is very doable now for old hands but not the rates that they want. Staff wages are even less – however, IF you get the elusive bonus at the end of the year you can get a decent salary.

[me]

Guys
Not sure what i want, salary or day rate, i have tried both for years and i can see something good in both. The company i work for now have just asked if i want to work for them on a 6-6 or 7-7, they have been having people from body shops the last few years but they now say they would like the same people but not from body shops, can tell that they charge around 60 pound for me. Our trainee is on ca 1600 pound a month and is paid when home as well.
Well i guess i have to make my mind up within a couple of weeks. BTW they have a 2 year contract so its work for 2 years….

[Ray Shields]

I think I can say that I could name 5 people who I directly assisted via this site get full time salaried employment with a company and as far as I know are all still working offshore.

Agencies have started using the site more and more which is great as people can see what type (and how many) jobs are available.

Companies always have many, many more people apply for their jobs than jobs they have available so there is no real need for them to search or headhunt anywhere else such as here.

[ROV_Monkey]

Salary or day rate?

Different strokes for different folks, at different point in their life

Over the 26 years I’ve worked in ROVs I’ve worked as Contractor, Day rate, Salary. Sometimes all 3 for the same company at different times.

With that kind of hindsight, I can’t honestly say I’ve seen any "more secure" choice. I’ve been, and continued to be employed as a contractor / day rate as salary guys I’ve worked alongside have been laid off.

Currently I’m day rate for one company – from my viewpoint it gives me the option to say no to a job without any comeback from the company re me "owing" them days etc. Having said that, I rarely turn down work 🙂

Monkey

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